Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:14 pm Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a networ
Dear ALL
why we cant made a sort of network througt Voip Provider from all over the
world to have nice price in local termination?
Please say some considaration about it.
Thanks in advance
Dimitri
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 8:40 pm Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a networ
On Thursday 10 June 2004 21:14, Dimitri Bellini wrote:
Quote:
Dear ALL
why we cant made a sort of network througt Voip Provider from all over the
world to have nice price in local termination?
Please say some considaration about it.
Thanks in advance
Dimitri
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:33 am Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a networ
At 8:14 PM +0200 on 6/10/04, Dimitri Bellini wrote:
Quote:
Dear ALL
why we cant made a sort of network througt Voip Provider from
all over the
world to have nice price in local termination?
Please say some considaration about it.
Thanks in advance
Dimitri
This is a good idea, and others have suggested it before. Nobody has
implemented it.
Please provide:
1) the protocol for route exchange (what numeric prefixes are you
offering? how many paths? how much does each cost? what codecs do
you support? encryption? etc.)
2) the method by which you wish to have automated compensation for
gateway usage
(1) is always required, (2) is not if you want to offer free
termination (but I don't think that's what you want. Nothing exists
at this point that does (1), and the only models I have seen that
handle (2) are extremely complex and difficult to implement. Arbinet
is a nice answer, but how about something that can be established
ad-hoc, without a "middleman"? (PS: Does Arbinet collect payment for
"free" calls? <cough>)
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:42 am Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a networ
John Todd wrote:
Quote:
1) the protocol for route exchange (what numeric prefixes are you
offering? how many paths? how much does each cost? what codecs do you
support? encryption? etc.)
With number portability in NANP, you need to exchange routes down to
complete numbers, not just prefixes. There's probably a way something
like BGP4 could be leveraged for this sort of thing, but I don't know
how you could encapsulate the path number/cost information. This is
definitely not a small problem :-)
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:47 am Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a networ
Been considering this myself as well. I don't actually terminate calls
but use a number of termination providers to route my calls currently
since it's the most cost effective.
Was thinking of using Enum to store the iax2 peers to use for each call
region based on a LCR assuming the connection was reliable enough.
I brought this up with a few people and they agreed networking with
others is the best way to expand coverage but compensation is a sticking
point and problem.
Only way we came up with was to require a deposit from everyone involved
similar to prepaid iax2 termination. And their balance would go up the
more calls they terminate for members and down for those others
terminate for them.
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 21:33, John Todd wrote:
Quote:
At 8:14 PM +0200 on 6/10/04, Dimitri Bellini wrote:
>Dear ALL
> why we cant made a sort of network througt Voip Provider from
>all over the
>world to have nice price in local termination?
>Please say some considaration about it.
>Thanks in advance
>Dimitri
This is a good idea, and others have suggested it before. Nobody has
implemented it.
Please provide:
1) the protocol for route exchange (what numeric prefixes are you
offering? how many paths? how much does each cost? what codecs do
you support? encryption? etc.)
2) the method by which you wish to have automated compensation for
gateway usage
(1) is always required, (2) is not if you want to offer free
termination (but I don't think that's what you want. Nothing exists
at this point that does (1), and the only models I have seen that
handle (2) are extremely complex and difficult to implement. Arbinet
is a nice answer, but how about something that can be established
ad-hoc, without a "middleman"? (PS: Does Arbinet collect payment for
"free" calls? <cough>)
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:40 am Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a networ
I've been watching this list with interest for a while now. I haven't
actually implemented Asterisk yet but am very interested in doing so if it
means relatively simple interconnectivity with other call
terminators/originators without having to go through Arbinet or the other
large "clearing houses". I run a small UK-based VoIP LCR provider with
plenty of UK termination capability with several UK carriers and good rates
to UK landlines and mobiles. It's all Cisco kit with a good infrastructure
behind it; i.e. H.323 gatekeepers, Radius authentication & accounting
servers, network management, real-time call status & monitoring, fraud
prevention, etc.
What I need is more traffic to UK & European destinations, and if Asterisk
can facilitate that by allowing me to peer with other Asterisk systems then
I'm in a good position to do that. So I would be very interested in
discussing with interested parties the development of call settlement/prefix
exchanging as has been mentioned in this thread.
Also if anyone is interested in discussing a 1-to-1 exchange agreement with
me with or without Asterisk please contact me through this list or email me
at tim@ukvoice.co.uk. I can offer termination at the following rates:
(negotiable depending on volume)
UK Landlines: 2.3/1.5/1.1 (peak/offpeak/weekend)
UK Mobile: 23/23/15 (peak/offpeak/weekend)
Western Europe: from 2.2 to 2.75 (all times)
(France, Germany, Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Denmark,
Ireland, Austria, Belgium)
This is estimated pricing on a sampling of destinations, and should not be
considered a binding offer. All rates US$ cents per minute, 1 cent min
charge, no minimum duration or call setup charge.
Best regards,
Tim Schroeder
UK Voice Ltd
-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-admin@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-admin@lists.digium.com]On Behalf Of William Suffill
Sent: 11 June 2004 02:48
To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a
network
Been considering this myself as well. I don't actually terminate calls
but use a number of termination providers to route my calls currently
since it's the most cost effective.
Was thinking of using Enum to store the iax2 peers to use for each call
region based on a LCR assuming the connection was reliable enough.
I brought this up with a few people and they agreed networking with
others is the best way to expand coverage but compensation is a sticking
point and problem.
Only way we came up with was to require a deposit from everyone involved
similar to prepaid iax2 termination. And their balance would go up the
more calls they terminate for members and down for those others
terminate for them.
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 21:33, John Todd wrote:
Quote:
At 8:14 PM +0200 on 6/10/04, Dimitri Bellini wrote:
>Dear ALL
> why we cant made a sort of network througt Voip Provider from
>all over the
>world to have nice price in local termination?
>Please say some considaration about it.
>Thanks in advance
>Dimitri
This is a good idea, and others have suggested it before. Nobody has
implemented it.
Please provide:
1) the protocol for route exchange (what numeric prefixes are you
offering? how many paths? how much does each cost? what codecs do
you support? encryption? etc.)
2) the method by which you wish to have automated compensation for
gateway usage
(1) is always required, (2) is not if you want to offer free
termination (but I don't think that's what you want. Nothing exists
at this point that does (1), and the only models I have seen that
handle (2) are extremely complex and difficult to implement. Arbinet
is a nice answer, but how about something that can be established
ad-hoc, without a "middleman"? (PS: Does Arbinet collect payment for
"free" calls? <cough>)
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:14 am Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a networ
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On Friday 11 June 2004 04:33, John Todd wrote:
Quote:
At 8:14 PM +0200 on 6/10/04, Dimitri Bellini wrote:
>Dear ALL
> why we cant made a sort of network througt Voip Provider from
>all over the
>world to have nice price in local termination?
>Please say some considaration about it.
>Thanks in advance
>Dimitri
This is a good idea, and others have suggested it before. Nobody has
implemented it.
Please provide:
1) the protocol for route exchange (what numeric prefixes are you
offering? how many paths? how much does each cost? what codecs do
you support? encryption? etc.)
2) the method by which you wish to have automated compensation for
gateway usage
(1) is always required, (2) is not if you want to offer free
termination (but I don't think that's what you want. Nothing exists
at this point that does (1), and the only models I have seen that
handle (2) are extremely complex and difficult to implement. Arbinet
is a nice answer, but how about something that can be established
ad-hoc, without a "middleman"? (PS: Does Arbinet collect payment for
"free" calls? <cough>)
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:17 am Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a networ
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On Friday 11 June 2004 04:47, William Suffill wrote:
Quote:
Been considering this myself as well. I don't actually terminate calls
but use a number of termination providers to route my calls currently
since it's the most cost effective.
Was thinking of using Enum to store the iax2 peers to use for each call
region based on a LCR assuming the connection was reliable enough.
I brought this up with a few people and they agreed networking with
others is the best way to expand coverage but compensation is a sticking
point and problem.
Only way we came up with was to require a deposit from everyone involved
similar to prepaid iax2 termination. And their balance would go up the
more calls they terminate for members and down for those others
terminate for them.
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with the cost value so that people sending traffic can make decisions about=
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the cost vs quality of service they require..
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:24 am Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a networ
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From: "Peter Nixon" <listuser@peternixon.net>
To: <asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a =
network
Quote:
On Thursday 10 June 2004 21:14, Dimitri Bellini wrote:
> Dear ALL
> why we cant made a sort of network througt Voip Provider from all =
over the
Quote:
> world to have nice price in local termination?
> Please say some considaration about it.
> Thanks in advance
> Dimitri
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http://www.arbinet.com/
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:52 am Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a networ
Thanks for Answer
im new in telco world so is very hard for me to create a network between Voip
provider, but i can explain what i have :
- 4 TDM E1 with Local Carrier
- 5 Mbps Internet Connection
Is not much but with it i usualy move 10000 Minute/day of internation call
termination, i dont have Voip Customer only fixed.
There are someone that know more Telco Network and want Made an
interconnection like the "old" Telco system, is not too simple but we can
procede step by step, i think if we can join we made more business and more
customer satisfaction :-)
PS: If someone can provide me a nice price for call termination are
welcome :-)
On Thursday 10 June 2004 08:14 pm, Dimitri Bellini wrote:
Quote:
Dear ALL
why we cant made a sort of network througt Voip Provider from all over the
world to have nice price in local termination?
Please say some considaration about it.
Thanks in advance
Dimitri
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:32 pm Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a networ
This is the same problem that the cellular carriers experienced in the
early 80s. There were a number of clearing houses that sprang up. I
believe there is just one now that balances the books and applies
electronic credits and debits to the appropriate accounts. Best way to
find out is to call one of the cellular billing companies and find the
name of the clearing house. My memory says that they are not cheap.
-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-admin@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-admin@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Peter Nixon
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 5:17 AM
To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a
network
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On Friday 11 June 2004 04:47, William Suffill wrote:
Quote:
Been considering this myself as well. I don't actually terminate calls
but use a number of termination providers to route my calls currently
since it's the most cost effective.
Was thinking of using Enum to store the iax2 peers to use for each
call
Quote:
region based on a LCR assuming the connection was reliable enough.
I brought this up with a few people and they agreed networking with
others is the best way to expand coverage but compensation is a
sticking
Quote:
point and problem.
Only way we came up with was to require a deposit from everyone
involved
Quote:
similar to prepaid iax2 termination. And their balance would go up the
more calls they terminate for members and down for those others
terminate for them.
Yes. This is the arbinet model. At the end of the day someone has to be
compensated for handling all of these accounts and interconnections
otherwise
the system falls apart. This "someone" has to be reasonably well paid
due to
the large sums of money involved as they become a bank and stock
exchange in
effect.
Like with arbinet there also needs to be a quality and reliability value
along
with the cost value so that people sending traffic can make decisions
about
the cost vs quality of service they require..
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:40 am Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a networ
Hello,
Quote:
why we cant made a sort of network througt Voip
Provider from all
> over the world to have nice price in local termination?
> Please say some considaration about it.
> Thanks in advance
> Dimitri
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 7:57 am Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] Connect more Voip Provider to create a networ
On Friday 18 June 2004 11:40, ePyron Felix Deierlein wrote:
Quote:
Hello,
> why we cant made a sort of network througt Voip
> Provider from all
>
> > over the world to have nice price in local termination?
> > Please say some considaration about it.
> > Thanks in advance
> > Dimitri
>
> http://www.arbinet.com/
does anybody work with them? I have checked the site and it seems to be
very intresting but also not easy...
Yes. We do. They are for high volume interconnects only..
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