Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 5:20 pm Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] VOIP and Emergency Numbers
Hi,
Anyone know if any VOIP handset manufacturers are
working on solving the emergency number problem?
I have had a couple of conversations with the national
communications regulator where I am and while the
issue is currently slipping under the radar I don't
know how long it will last.
I know I'm dreaming but a VOIP handset with battery
backup, GPS to provide location and a method of
connecting to a mobile network (GSM, CDMA) in case of
the Internet going down would be nice :). If anyone
has such handsets pencil me in for a couple...
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:54 am Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] VOIP and Emergency Numbers
I had the thought about embedding a GPS receiver chip in a phone, too -- like in a cellphone. However, the problem is that GPS reception inside buildings is not good, so it would not work reliably.
Most proposals for solving the E911 problem either require the user to register their location in some fashion, or (in an enterprise setting) involve ethernet switches noting the MAC address and port of the IP phone and tying it to some form of network topology database. The latter approach strikes me as being extremely ugly, as it is not exactly lightweight.
Rob
Robert Welbourn
Product Line Manager, Network Access Division, Aastra Telecom
8 Federal St, Billerica, MA 01821-3570, USA
Tel +1-978-436 4125, Mobile +1-617-510 5354
Quote:
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To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
Subject: [Asterisk-biz] VOIP and Emergency Numbers
Hi,
Anyone know if any VOIP handset manufacturers are
working on solving the emergency number problem?
I have had a couple of conversations with the national
communications regulator where I am and while the
issue is currently slipping under the radar I don't
know how long it will last.
I know I'm dreaming but a VOIP handset with battery
backup, GPS to provide location and a method of
connecting to a mobile network (GSM, CDMA) in case of
the Internet going down would be nice :). If anyone
has such handsets pencil me in for a couple...
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:49 pm Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] VOIP and Emergency Numbers
If some one puts a GPRS chip in a cell phone and even if it does not work inside a
building, i am sure the service provider can mentain a database of last reported
location, there MUST BE a point before u enter the building, and the ambulance and
police can always use that that information.
my 2 cents
Rehan
Quote:
I had the thought about embedding a GPS receiver chip in a phone, too -- like in a
cellphone. However, the problem is that GPS reception inside buildings is not good,
so it would not work reliably.
Quote:
Most proposals for solving the E911 problem either require the user to register their location in some fashion, or (in an enterprise setting) involve ethernet switches noting the MAC address and port of the IP phone and tying it to some form of network topology database. The latter approach strikes me as being extremely ugly, as it is not exactly lightweight.
Rob
Robert Welbourn
Product Line Manager, Network Access Division, Aastra Telecom
8 Federal St, Billerica, MA 01821-3570, USA
Tel +1-978-436 4125, Mobile +1-617-510 5354
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> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 1:20 PM
> To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
> Subject: [Asterisk-biz] VOIP and Emergency Numbers
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Anyone know if any VOIP handset manufacturers are
> working on solving the emergency number problem?
>
> I have had a couple of conversations with the national
> communications regulator where I am and while the
> issue is currently slipping under the radar I don't
> know how long it will last.
>
> I know I'm dreaming but a VOIP handset with battery
> backup, GPS to provide location and a method of
> connecting to a mobile network (GSM, CDMA) in case of
> the Internet going down would be nice :). If anyone
> has such handsets pencil me in for a couple...
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:32 am Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] VOIP and Emergency Numbers
Simple tri-location from cell sites works for cell phones
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Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:57 AM
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Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] VOIP and Emergency Numbers
If some one puts a GPRS chip in a cell phone and even if it does not
work inside a
building, i am sure the service provider can mentain a database of last
reported
location, there MUST BE a point before u enter the building, and the
ambulance and
police can always use that that information.
my 2 cents
Rehan
Quote:
I had the thought about embedding a GPS receiver chip in a phone, too
-- like in a
cellphone. However, the problem is that GPS reception inside buildings
is not good,
so it would not work reliably.
Quote:
Most proposals for solving the E911 problem either require the user to
register their location in some fashion, or (in an enterprise setting)
involve ethernet switches noting the MAC address and port of the IP
phone and tying it to some form of network topology database. The
latter approach strikes me as being extremely ugly, as it is not exactly
lightweight.
Quote:
Rob
Robert Welbourn
Product Line Manager, Network Access Division, Aastra Telecom
8 Federal St, Billerica, MA 01821-3570, USA
Tel +1-978-436 4125, Mobile +1-617-510 5354
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 1:20 PM
> To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
> Subject: [Asterisk-biz] VOIP and Emergency Numbers
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Anyone know if any VOIP handset manufacturers are
> working on solving the emergency number problem?
>
> I have had a couple of conversations with the national
> communications regulator where I am and while the
> issue is currently slipping under the radar I don't
> know how long it will last.
>
> I know I'm dreaming but a VOIP handset with battery
> backup, GPS to provide location and a method of
> connecting to a mobile network (GSM, CDMA) in case of
> the Internet going down would be nice :). If anyone
> has such handsets pencil me in for a couple...
>
> Aaron
>
>
>
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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:32 am Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] VOIP and Emergency Numbers
Rehan Ahmed wrote:
[Please don't top post, it makes threads hard to read.]
Quote:
If some one puts a GPRS chip in a cell phone and even if it does not work inside a
building, i am sure the service provider can mentain a database of last reported
location,
It doesn't work like that though; the location is usually only
determined when a position request is made.
Quote:
there MUST BE a point before u enter the building, and the ambulance and
police can always use that that information.
With technologies like gpsOne position information is accessible deep
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:33 am Post subject: [Asterisk-biz] VOIP and Emergency Numbers
if GPRS does not work GSM is not working - you probably mean GPS...
Rehan Ahmed wrote:
Quote:
If some one puts a GPRS chip in a cell phone and even if it does not work inside a
building, i am sure the service provider can mentain a database of last reported
location, there MUST BE a point before u enter the building, and the ambulance and
police can always use that that information.
my 2 cents
Rehan
>I had the thought about embedding a GPS receiver chip in a phone, too -- like in a
cellphone. However, the problem is that GPS reception inside buildings is not good,
so it would not work reliably.
>Most proposals for solving the E911 problem either require the user to register their location in some fashion, or (in an enterprise setting) involve ethernet switches noting the MAC address and port of the IP phone and tying it to some form of network topology database. The latter approach strikes me as being extremely ugly, as it is not exactly lightweight.
>
>Rob
>
>Robert Welbourn
>Product Line Manager, Network Access Division, Aastra Telecom
>8 Federal St, Billerica, MA 01821-3570, USA
>Tel +1-978-436 4125, Mobile +1-617-510 5354
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: asterisk-biz-admin@lists.digium.com
>>[mailto:asterisk-biz-admin@lists.digium.com]On Behalf Of Aaron Clauson
>>Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 1:20 PM
>>To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
>>Subject: [Asterisk-biz] VOIP and Emergency Numbers
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Anyone know if any VOIP handset manufacturers are
>>working on solving the emergency number problem?
>>
>>I have had a couple of conversations with the national
>>communications regulator where I am and while the
>>issue is currently slipping under the radar I don't
>>know how long it will last.
>>
>>I know I'm dreaming but a VOIP handset with battery
>>backup, GPS to provide location and a method of
>>connecting to a mobile network (GSM, CDMA) in case of
>>the Internet going down would be nice :). If anyone
>>has such handsets pencil me in for a couple...
>>
>>Aaron
>>
>>
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Surely that requires the handset to be on the CDMA network when GPS is not available, as is the case when deep within a building? If so, then it's not much use for a fixed VoIP phone.
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