Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:49 am Post subject: [asterisk-doc] I am new to asterisk..Please help me..
Hameed, Mian F wrote:
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Provide basics for installing LINUX. (Yes the basics!!!!!)
Then install asterisk.
And then have two soft phones communicate.
Basic trouble shoot
Some uses of Digium products and how to set those up. Have Digium make
money too and advertise their product in it, if rules of the game would
allow.
Hameed,
There are two or three sites that do exactly that.
Everyone:
As a general answer to this thread "I am new to asterisk...", I got
interested in asterisk through FWD where a few people were talking about
it. As a former ham radio operator (like Jeff Pulver) I was fascinated
by the possibilities though I had no need for a pbx.
<testimonial quality="sincere">
It was the online original old edition of HHGTA that allowed me to
learn asterisk from nowhere to a sufficient level to use it as our soho
pbx. I was coming from no telephony knowledge, and kludge programming
skills to the point where I got things running and finally am able to
answer newbie questions. The answers to most of them are "Read The Book".
I printed out that book and read it 10 times, each time learning some
new aspect. Sure, I didn't read the hardware part once mine was working,
but I looked at the applications and dialplan sections over and over
until I got things right (well, working at least.)
Like everyone else, I don't have the time to do much for the effort, but
I would certainly proofread new material again, like I did for TFoT. The
efforts of the authors, notwithstanding all the criticism, gave asterisk
a huge boost.
</textimonial>
I have met Leif and Jared in person and they both seemed like normal
human beings. If they're geeks, they're geeks like me who actually have
seen the sun and smelled fresh air most days :)
This is the most activity on this list since before the book came out!
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:18 am Post subject: [asterisk-doc] I am new to asterisk..Please help me..
At 09:53 AM 7/12/2006, you wrote:
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Your writing seems good enough to me.
Yea, but that was a paragraph. Sometime back in the early 90's I
wrote a 2 part article for DBMS magazine about Clipper 5.0. It took
me an one of their very understanding editors quite a long time to
write and when I go back and read it now, I cringe. I know what to
say in my head, you can see my small contribution to the wiki under
setgroup() or whatever that function is. I've no idea if it's useful
but I sure couldn't figure it out from docs as they were so I added
something. If you think it's worthwhile ask me off the list and I'll
help as much as I can.
Ira
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Here is my question. If all is there then how come a new person can't
run asterisk w/o a pain; at a minimum? May be all of the above was not
read????
On July 12, 2006 Mian Hameed Wrote:
Quote:
There is not a single startup document that I was aware of when I was
setting up asterisk that will help you set up asterisk on the fly.
This is exactly my point. You have to go four different places to get
things done, only if you get lucky and I did go on a search pilgrimage
when I was doing mine.... what an unpleasant experience it was. (Great,
at least it is there NOW or did I miss it. I see progress). I proposed
before that it should be one document and make it a lab exercise w/o
mistakes and make asterisk a pleasurable learning experience. I agree
with Ira, I cannot get quality help from most of these docs, so I read
it twice that made me dangerous enough and my life went on. This is from
an IT guy who has also taught calc in a University for 7 years as a
passion and not as a career. I exactly knew where my students would get
lost. I see what Ira is saying.
Ira wrote
Quote:
....I sure couldn't figure it out from docs as they were so I added
something.
Quote:
From the above statement, adding that "something" is what is needed. Who
said that these documents are true blue to the core? Some "God fearing"
person wrote it and was not subject to a review or any quality control.
As George Bush senior said, it won't be PRUDENT to ask a geek to write a
basic esterisk 101 white paper, for a 101 audience. Humor there!!!
So my suggestion:
To make a lab focusing on how to make asterisk work when you get hold of
a PC. Then test your lab against what you have done so that you put out
a solid lab. If most of the work is there then compile it and make it
user friendly.
Do you remember the "Word Perfect" days? The product was partly
successful because of their OUTSTANDING tech support, which Novell never
had. AND we know the rest. As I recall, in the beginning Microsoft
provided free tech support and the product was embraced by many. Yes, I
understand these are big company names..... Touching asterisk is an
uphill battle. We can change that can we not?
We need to get the 101 level and mid level folks interested in asterisk
by making it easy.
In general:
I have read your comments and to stay focused, I would not raise an
issue with your opinion. Thanks for your feedback.
Ira, we can talk on the phone at my expense. You do not have to write
any thing.
Mian
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Beckman
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 12:16 AM
To: Discussions regarding The Asterisk Documentation Project
Subject: RE: [asterisk-doc] I am new to asterisk..Please help me..
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, Hameed, Mian F wrote:
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Recently, I have not checked all what we have as documentation, but I
would like to see an effort (and I am willing to help), that will get
you this product functioning at a minimal; all in one doc. Mastering
it
Quote:
will come later.
For example:
Provide basics for installing LINUX. (Yes the basics!!!!!)
What? Maybe a link to a Linux website with install instructions, but
I
think including that in Asterisk docs is silly. Then you'd have to
include Windows install, etc.
The aforementioned example (scope of work) can be refined, but it
needs
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to get done from what I have seen from the basic questions on various
forums. So I wrote to Ira if he would help.
If you and Ira want to write some of that stuff, great! Get it to me,
or
IM me and I'll get you the general outline.
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Here is my question. If all is there then how come a new person can't
run asterisk w/o a pain; at a minimum? May be all of the above was not
read????
On July 12, 2006 Mian Hameed Wrote:
> There is not a single startup document that I was aware of when I was
> setting up asterisk that will help you set up asterisk on the fly.
This is exactly my point. You have to go four different places to get
things done, only if you get lucky and I did go on a search pilgrimage
when I was doing mine.... what an unpleasant experience it was. (Great,
at least it is there NOW or did I miss it. I see progress). I proposed
before that it should be one document and make it a lab exercise w/o
mistakes and make asterisk a pleasurable learning experience. I agree
with Ira, I cannot get quality help from most of these docs, so I read
it twice that made me dangerous enough and my life went on. This is from
an IT guy who has also taught calc in a University for 7 years as a
passion and not as a career. I exactly knew where my students would get
lost. I see what Ira is saying.
Since Asterisk can do sooo many things, I think it might make more sense
to build a dialplan respository where people can post working dialplans
and other configs as an example. That's not so much a documentation
issue.
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: [asterisk-doc] I am new to asterisk..Please help me..
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Here is my question. If all is there then how come a new person can't
run asterisk w/o a pain; at a minimum? May be all of the above was not
read????
Hameed,
Like any other forum or mailing list you need to realize that tens of
thousands of newbies have done this without shivelling about the state
of the doc. It is a fact that there is a steep learning curve and no one
can give you free lessons. Just like Photoshop or any other complex
tool, asterisk can't be learned from a single document and it takes
weeks of research to get good at it. No other software I know of is much
different, and that includes Windows!
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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: [asterisk-doc] I am new to asterisk..Please help me..
Resnick wrote:
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It is a fact that there is a steep learning curve and no one can give
you >free lessons.
You have missed the point. This is not about me asking for a free
lesson. Mind you, all the documentation that is out there is a free
lesson. The doc that I am proposing will not help me, I am beyond that.
No harm in helping those newbies who can't make it, is there? If you
have not taught school, you would not understand my gesture. It would be
a joy if asterisk's learning curve was the same as Windows. We would not
be having this conversation.
Beckman Wrote:
Quote:
Since Asterisk can do sooo many things, I think it might make more
sense
> to build a dialplan respository where people can post working
dialplans
>and other configs as an example. That's not so much a documentation
>issue.
I like your constructive attitude and feedback. I see this could be an
intermediary to an expert level effort. I may incorporate one of those
dial plans in the lab that I am proposing. I am interested in making a
simple lab. Since we are not expecting a payment, any effort should be
welcomed (:-
Mian
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[mailto:asterisk-doc-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Resnick
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 1:09 PM
To: Discussions regarding The Asterisk Documentation Project
Subject: Re: [asterisk-doc] I am new to asterisk..Please help me..
Quote:
Here is my question. If all is there then how come a new person can't
run asterisk w/o a pain; at a minimum? May be all of the above was not
read????
Hameed,
Like any other forum or mailing list you need to realize that tens of
thousands of newbies have done this without shivelling about the state
of the doc. It is a fact that there is a steep learning curve and no one
can give you free lessons. Just like Photoshop or any other complex
tool, asterisk can't be learned from a single document and it takes
weeks of research to get good at it. No other software I know of is much
different, and that includes Windows!
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:54 am Post subject: [asterisk-doc] I am new to asterisk..Please help me..
<cue hypnotic music>
Greetings. You have reached... a new state of consciousness.
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No harm in helping those newbies who can't make it, is there?
Not at all. By all means, people should be helped. That is exactly what
happens when the person follows the advice given. When someone writes to
this list with a question, it is usually someone whose first language is
not English, because it's obvious by the title, "Discussions regarding
The Asterisk Documentation Project" what the list is for. Not a help
forum. Not a help forum.
Once someone does write asking for help on asterisk issues, they
generally are politely reminded that the list is for discussion about
the documentation effort and that there are various other sources of
information and places to get help. Because the list is quiet, people
are more tolerant. Also, one can subscribe and not see any activity so
you can't lurk and find out discretely that this isn't a help forum. Not
a help forum. Not a help forum.
At this point, and I told ganesh this in a private mail as well as here,
they can look for help on any of the *many* forums about asterisk, on
the IRC #asterisk channel and on the -users list if you know the basics.
I also told him that often there are local user groups and documents in
other languages. I know for a fact that there is a French forum where
you can ask questions and get help in French and a French documentation
effort as well. I just Googled for asterisk forum and immediately found
three pretty good ones on as many continents. These are asterisk help
forums. Help forums.
"Discussions regarding The Asterisk Documentation Project" is not a help
form. Not a help forum.
This thread isn't even about opinions, this is about the purpose of this
list. The list exists for a reason and discussing specific questions is
not any part of that reason. Not a help form. Not a help forum.
Ok everyone. When I count to three, wake up. You feel refreshed. You
will not remember anything I said.
<fade to huge Tibetan gong>
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